tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post1452760942017966624..comments2024-02-07T13:43:03.364+05:30Comments on Musings: 10 Reasons why Kashmir must be given the Right to Self-determinationBalaji Chitra Ganesanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12946132372838633092noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-86778236476980439472010-10-19T00:35:13.725+05:302010-10-19T00:35:13.725+05:30Total bullshit!Total bullshit!Meghanahttp://www.MoneyAdvice4U.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-42347016791775620072010-10-10T19:40:29.142+05:302010-10-10T19:40:29.142+05:30yes, geo-political considerations exist for the in...yes, geo-political considerations exist for the indians. But as I argued above, thats not a Kashmiri problem.<br /><br />in anycase, a plebiscite may not lead to a Independent Kashmir. India promised a plebiscite and should deliver. Once India commits to plebiscite, there are several hurdles.<br /><br />1. Pakistan might develop cold feet and stonewall saying Jammuities, Ladakhis, Pandits and people in Gilgit-Baltistan cannot vote. If so, we'll no longer be the problem side.<br /><br />2. We can insist on J&K and PoK assemblies passing a motion with 2/3rd majority authorizing a plebiscite. It'll put the local politicians to test.<br /><br />3. Pakistan and Syed Ali Shah Geelani may not agree to Independence being one of the options in the plebiscite. That'll expose them to the Kashmiris and render a plebiscite impossible.<br /><br />4. And eventually if and when the vote takes place, we may still get a vote in favor of India courtesy Jammu, Ladakh and moderate Kashmiris.<br /><br />So a commitment to honor the promise of plebiscite may well help Indian Union wash its hands off and force the issue to be a local J&K issue.<br /><br />But if Kashmiris pass all these hurdles and vote to become Independent or join Pakistan, we should allow them to do so.Balaji Chitra Ganesanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12946132372838633092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-54317106201339972222010-10-10T17:32:17.452+05:302010-10-10T17:32:17.452+05:30Great post. You have had the guts to bell the cat....Great post. You have had the guts to bell the cat. I understand the general tone of your argument and sympathise entirely with the Kashmiris. But Indian state cannot afford to lose Kashmir for geo-political reasons. India has a historical fear for the invader from the north and the hence people in Delhi would not want to lose the Kashmir valley and thus directly expose our plains. For the same reason, China and Pakistan would also never allow an independent Kashmir to exist peacefully. In this case the plight of Kashmir is sadly similar to the Afghanistan. It's strategic location means that other powers will never leave it alone. I feel the best bet for Kashmiris is to demand complete autonomy within the Indian setup and to demand that Indian Army be confined to the borders. This will not sacrifice India's concerns and allow Kashmiris maximum political freedom. India for it's part can play the trade card. Kashmir is a land-locked region and will need access to mainland India for trade. India can put across to the Kashmiris that in the event of complete Independence it will become impossible for India to allow movement of goods and people from Kashmir into India ( It is already restricted indeed ). This will convince Kashmiris of the practical impossibility of azadi however noble it sounds. <br />Please do not mistake that I am sounding authoritarian. I just feel that by moderating their demands a little, Kashmiris will gain the moral high ground and gain sympathies for their demands from the rest of India too.Suryahttp://austroturf.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-20110346150586414732010-09-29T00:07:13.641+05:302010-09-29T00:07:13.641+05:30Balaji bhai... this one's a gutsy post..
It&#...Balaji bhai... this one's a gutsy post..<br /><br />It's hard to find writers a clear cut as you these days..<br /><br />Keep it upDevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-5039399794471399512010-09-13T09:13:42.979+05:302010-09-13T09:13:42.979+05:30addytude,
why wud Pakistan withdraw from POK if t...addytude,<br /><br />why wud Pakistan withdraw from POK if there is no assurance from India that it will do so too from IHK and allow a plebiscite. remember both Pakistan and India are invaders.<br /><br />Musharraf-Vajpayee talks were on the lines of this mutually assured withdrawal of both countries from selected districts in both sides of the LoC. sadly the discussion fell apart.<br /><br />in anycase, Kashmiris cannot be held hostage to the blame game amongst the two aggressors.Balaji Chitra Ganesanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12946132372838633092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-44476073925660583642010-09-13T08:28:55.528+05:302010-09-13T08:28:55.528+05:30you are eating from the Indian govt's coffers ...you are eating from the Indian govt's coffers and you have the balls to say you want to separate.you kashmiris are one filthy valley in a whole big state. you cannot decide on everybody's future.so just back off and stop spreading disinformation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-10888976736631880482010-09-13T00:26:13.068+05:302010-09-13T00:26:13.068+05:30you are peddling disinformation.
Point 2: Are you...you are peddling disinformation.<br /><br />Point 2: Are you even aware of the plebiscite clause?<br />First pakistan will withdraw, then india will establish that the pakis has withdrawn, only then india will hold plebiscite.<br /><br />Have the pakis withdrawn?<br />Utter rubbish! same holds true for this whole post of yours.addytudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15594632571688925505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-8652920535024819952010-09-12T23:21:46.318+05:302010-09-12T23:21:46.318+05:30oh, yes. 1987 election especially was a joke enact...oh, yes. 1987 election especially was a joke enacted after the Farooq Abdullah-Rajiv Gandhi deal.<br /><br />there will be countless articles online but this I cud grab within seconds.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2223364.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2223364.stm</a><br /><br />i also very much remember how BJP under Vajpayee touted 2002 elections as free and fair unlike the previous ones. but it still didn't get too many voters to the polling booths. 2008 was better though.Balajinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-32570231036228332462010-09-12T23:05:29.116+05:302010-09-12T23:05:29.116+05:30Have you come across any evidence for point # 5 ?Have you come across any evidence for point # 5 ?Jaikumar Ganeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10355778510473196507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-40426003389422304322010-09-12T18:08:36.280+05:302010-09-12T18:08:36.280+05:30Parliaments and Assemblies are established under t...Parliaments and Assemblies are established under the existing constitution. Secession or division of states significantly alters the state for which the constitution was made. Amendment's won't do for such major changes. Referendums are needed.<br /><br />oh please, i know about the Telangana statehood issue.<br /><br />my point is: some people want to split a unit of governance, namely the state of Andhra Pradesh. that has to be decided in a referendum.<br /><br />similarly if Kashmir or Manipur or Tamilnadu want to secede, there shud first be a referendum at the state level. based on the result of such a referendum, Parliament can vote or even call a nationwide referendum.Balaji Chitra Ganesanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12946132372838633092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-71545245088397740252010-09-12T15:36:53.838+05:302010-09-12T15:36:53.838+05:30A place where the will of the people isn't ref...A place where the will of the people isn't reflected in the Union or its Government is neither a Republic nor a Democracy.<br /><br />Well, democracy does not mean that we will allow the country to be divided again. If people of any region, not just Kashmir have any problems, they have legal means like parliament, state assembly and media to let their voices heard.<br />If they resort to violence, of course they will be put under army rule.<br /><br />BTW, Telengana is not a movement for independence. They just want a separate stae.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11023403.post-36566772524132637662010-09-12T15:23:24.349+05:302010-09-12T15:23:24.349+05:30Also found this on the internet. Very disturbing. ...Also found this on the internet. Very disturbing. http://www.jammukashmir.tv/9-Human-Rights/Mature-Kashmiri-boys-forced-to-walk-nude-on-the-road-by-the-indian-security.htmlJunaidnoreply@blogger.com